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September 29, 2007

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Damozel

Brilliant as usual! And I am not biased at all.

Hill

Hear, hear!!

Fucking fundies. Can't stand 'em.

But banning a book, ANY book, is so very Hitler-ish.

Can't abide that, either.

Frankly, I wish the fundies/neocons would just take over Idaho & one of those other fruitcake states and move there and leave the rest of us alone.

Pull a baby's hair???? WTF????? These people SOOOOOO need to spend some SERIOUS TIME IN JAIL!

samulli

Eww, how disgusting is that? Those authors should be whipped!
(And people wonder why I have a problem with religion per sé? Give me Dawkins any day over nutters like these.)
But I think banning the book is exactly the wrong thing. Writing about it and discussing the wrongness of it surely helps more. Banning books does never really work anyway, so it would probably do more harm than good in the long run, even making it a cult classic or something.
I think, hundreds of 1-star reviews on Amazon might work better, especially if they are well written. I just browsed through some of the 5-star reviews over there and they just made me gag. Some people really shouldn't be allowed to have children at all.

Mary Emken


Bottom dweller perverts have been around for centuries. People need to constantly remind their children of strangers. Also to tell you if anyone and it doesn't matter who it is trys to hurt them. I've gotten my grandchildren into self defence classes. They are quite good at it. Every once in awhile they want me to practice with them and I've mannaged to convenience them I'm a better spectator. I just don't like the idea of having every bone in my body broken. I'm sorry but you can't blame those anuses on books.

EuroPosh

I'm outraged! I going to do more research about this book, because this looks like a good topic for my lecture on 1st amendment, again.

nononsense girl

The Pearl are two fucked up people. They give christians a bad name. UGGH!!! It's a book on how to abuse your kids. The more we'll talk about the book, the more the truth about what they preach will be revealed.

Terri

Hi, thanks for stopping by my blog and especially thank you for this info. I'm a Christian and I've heard of the Pearls, but have not read this book. I'd gotten wind of the fact that the book contained some extremist parenting advice, but I had no idea! It really is sad because as Nononsense Girl said the Pearls are giving Christians a bad name. We aren't all like that, I swear!

amypalko

As Terri and Nononsense Girl say, it does give Christians a bad name. However, being a home educator and not a Christian, I'm more concerned that the Pearls give home education a bad name. They were due to tour the UK last year, I think, and the home ed lobby in the UK managed to nip it in the bud. Most home edders here don't make their choice based on religious reasons, but even those who do choose to remove their kids from the system for those reasons, do not want to be associated with this couple. Their ideas are truly abhorrent, although like you Nicholas, and like those who have commented here, I cannot abide the thought of banning books. I feel it would just give them more of a voice than they and their ideas of child-rearing (sorry, child-training!) deserve. And you know, I've breastfed a baby with teeth - the first, and only time, they bite, by withdrawing and temporarily stopping the feed the situation was resolved. They discovered instantly that biting = no breast. No hair-pulling required! I don't know... anyone who can pull their baby's hair, let alone whack a toddler with a plastic pipe should be seriously considering their decision to bring a child into this world. How sad.

nononsense girl

Yeah, amypalko's right on something also. The Pearl give homeschooler a bad name. I hope people won't assume that most homeschoolers act that way because that isn't right.

UGGH! These people make me sick!

Wylie Kinson

I'm horrified into speechlessness. (a rare occurrence, I assure you)

Sheryl

People who do evil come with all kinds of labels, "Christian, Agnostic, Atheist,..."...
There are crazies from every walk of life, every culture, etc. To judge Christianity, or God, by these people is to judge all Germans by Hitler.
Horrible teachings obviously...but please don't attach those "beliefs" to everyone who is Christian and/or home-schools.

Briggie

Hi Nicholas, first, thanks for stopping by my site. second, I love your blog and third, thank you for this post. you have done an awesome job bringing light to this dark situation. i agree with Wylie, these are evil people and they are hiding behind labels like christianity, homeschooling and parenting...it saddens me beyond measure that they are able to send their misguided beliefs out to such a large and unknowing audience.

Stickgirl

I'm against banning books, too, but if ever there was a reason - it would be something like this. I can only hope that the majority who buy this book discard it as the rubbish it is.

Alasandra

Great post.

While I too am against censorship, I find the Pearl's book advocating 'child abuse' troubling.

Maybe revealing the true nature of the book is the answer.

marilyn

Yeesh... I homeschool and I'm a Christian, but honestly we've been homeschooling since long before I converted. My decision to homeschool was based on the idea that I might be able to give my child a better education (the verdict is sill out on this one).

In fact I haven't met too many homeschoolers who want to keep their kids away from society. I'm considered a bit weird for being anti television (in our own home). We quit our local Christian Homeschooling group because of the way they treat the children of homosexuals... so I really don't have a lot of folks to ask about this book. The non-Christian group seems a lot more Christian about everything, and they'd never stand for this kind of thing.

I have heard of this book but I don't know anybody that would recomend these things. How can you hurt a baby? Banning the book seems wrong, but shouldn't the publisher have more sense?

Mouseclone

I have to agree that beating a child is wrong, but I have to say that spanking a child is not wrong. I was raised with spankings and such, some of them a little harder than what was needed but none the less I still had them.

Children today have zero fear of any form of punishment. The phrase "Who are your parents, I need to talk with them" doesn't affect many children today. They will not receive any punishment for tearing up your yard, car, house, or anything else that you may hold of value.

Teacher can't teach because these children know that the school and the parents can't touch them. If a parent touches a child today with a switch, belt, wooden spoon, or a paddle you can bet that they will loose their job or end up in jail.

I really truly do not believe in beating a child and causing major harm. I don't see a thing wrong with 5 licks with a paddle to give the child something to think about next time they just don't think. It stopped me from don't things, and it doesn't work for all children, but it does for some. I think that I will turn my children over to society so that yall can take care of them when they become a problem for me, I don't want to go to jail, and I just figure it is best to let the people that will not allow me to punish my children with a spanking take care of them.

Danielle

Omg...I can't believe this! I can't believe these people aren't locked up!!!

I don't see a problem with spanking when it's necessary. ie an action that endangers someone or someone's property...but with a pipe?!

Amazon is not selling the book, but it is still online. I went to the people's (ministry's, if you really want to call it that) just to see for myself.

First of all, this woman claims to have started potty training her kid at one week old...my baby couldn't even be in an infant swing at that age because of the poor neck control so how, exactly, did this lady hold her kid on the toilet?!

Then, I was reading a response to a 6 year old with a lying problem. The advice, to schedule a daily spanking session at noon every day for a week. The 6 year old should saw off their own limb for a switch from a tree each day, on time, and bring it in for the spanking. If they're late, they get more than the 10 they already receive.

She says:

"When the clock struck twelve, I very calmly, and without pity, reminded him, “You are a liar, and lying is an ugly, hateful thing. In order that your soul shall be spared, I’m going to whip you.” That was all I said, no praying, no sermons, no “you break my heart” appeals. I would cause him to bend over on the couch, and I would give him the 10 licks. Keep in mind that my licks were not violent or even hard, they were just hard enough of a sting to let a 6-year-old know that it hurts to lie."

Omg, that was enough for me!!! Thanks for sharing this! I'll have to link to it!

Danielle

Omg...I can't believe this! I can't believe these people aren't locked up!!!

I don't see a problem with spanking when it's necessary. ie an action that endangers someone or someone's property...but with a pipe?!

Amazon is not selling the book, but it is still online. I went to the people's (ministry's, if you really want to call it that) just to see for myself.

First of all, this woman claims to have started potty training her kid at one week old...my baby couldn't even be in an infant swing at that age because of the poor neck control so how, exactly, did this lady hold her kid on the toilet?!

Then, I was reading a response to a 6 year old with a lying problem. The advice, to schedule a daily spanking session at noon every day for a week. The 6 year old should saw off their own limb for a switch from a tree each day, on time, and bring it in for the spanking. If they're late, they get more than the 10 they already receive.

She says:

"When the clock struck twelve, I very calmly, and without pity, reminded him, “You are a liar, and lying is an ugly, hateful thing. In order that your soul shall be spared, I’m going to whip you.” That was all I said, no praying, no sermons, no “you break my heart” appeals. I would cause him to bend over on the couch, and I would give him the 10 licks. Keep in mind that my licks were not violent or even hard, they were just hard enough of a sting to let a 6-year-old know that it hurts to lie."

Omg, that was enough for me!!! Thanks for sharing this! I'll have to link to it!

Summer Squirrel

This is pretty bad and, as bad as it is, banning the book is not a good idea.

Being raised by a Fundamentalist Baptist mother I heard the "spare the rod, spoil the child" mantra often. It taught me to be more creative with my misbehaving and managed to get away with many sinful things. I was one of the fortunate ones that didn't get scarred for life although it is one of the many reasons I'm an atheist today.

Thanks for bring this to my attention Nick. I think that even my mother would disagree with this kind of christian punishment.

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